Suunto and Mac?

[jameslogan]

I have been looking at buying a T6, has anyone found software that makes the two work together?

As an aside, I can't believe Suunto is so dumb for skipping out on the Apple community. Apple users often have a high disposable income (except for me), like well designed products, and often buy the latest and greatest. Seems like a good market for Sunnto.

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	Suunto t6 - Click for more info The Suunto t6 is one of the most exciting new personal training devices to hit the health and fitness market this year. The "t" in t6 (if you don't want to get too technical) stands for "training". It actually refers to the time interval between two heartbeats, or EPOC. Measured to the millisecond, this interval allows you (using the included PC software) to assess your current fitness, set a proper training load, measure your actual fitness gain over time, and achieve your overall fitness goals.

[Tyler]

I hear you, I'll pass along your comments. I'm a Mac user too, only way I've found is via running Windows on the Mac.

[wunnspeed]

I've been looking for Mac compatible software for the Suunto for over a year. I talked with the folks at iSmartTrain and they said that they'd love to do it, but Suunto won't give them their code.

Personally, I'm gettin fed up enough that I'm about to get ride of the watch in spite of the fact that I really like it. It's just the Suunto is really pissing me off by not taking action on something that's very obviously a NEED, not a WANT!!

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[kuan]

Agreed. They've had years to do it and doesn't look like they will in the future. I emailed them but got no reply.

[adman_rob]

So still no Mac support? Not even an official statement (the link "Got a Mac? - Read our Mac Post" on the site can't be found: http://www.suuntowatches.com/Suunto-t6.pro)?


mmmm... Was looking at buying T6. Guess I'll keep looking...

	Suunto t6 - Click for more info The Suunto t6 is one of the most exciting new personal training devices to hit the health and fitness market this year. The "t" in t6 (if you don't want to get too technical) stands for "training". It actually refers to the time interval between two heartbeats, or EPOC. Measured to the millisecond, this interval allows you (using the included PC software) to assess your current fitness, set a proper training load, measure your actual fitness gain over time, and achieve your overall fitness goals.

[bachfiend]

It looks as though I'll be going back to Polar. Had a brief "affair" with Suunto, love the watch, hate the software, have an Intel mac with XP installed on a Desktop Parallels, but can't get the software to work (not that I really have tried too hard, really HATE Windows with a passion, absolute rubbish, not user friendly). At least Polar works on my Mac's native OS with smarttrain (why won't Suunto at least allow someone else to do their work if they are so lazy to do it themselves?). The one thing I hated with the Polar was that the battery would go flat frequently, and then I'd have to send the watch back to the agent (in another state) to have the battery replaced. Perhaps the solution would be to have two Polar HRM. Sorry, Suunto and good riddance.

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[ejunge]

I have been running parallels on a Intel macbook and have had no issues - I am even running Leopard. I am running the TrekManager and while it does not run great... it DOES run reliably..

[macguyincali]

Guys, me and my triathlon club have purposefully boycotted Suunto until they provide decent cross platform compatibility for Mac. We recommend Garmin devices which are mac compatible and can also be used with the excellent Ascent software. Plus they have cadence and power modules for cycling. Polars are ok and work with iSmartTrain software pretty well (I use both).

Until they do this, they are missing out on a huge market. Macs compose a whopping 66% of the high end computer market (computers costing $1000+), according to NPD. The kind of people who spend a little more on their computers are the kind of people who buy expensive gadgets like the Suunto watches. The type of people who buy macs (not tooting my own horn) have higher income levels, higher education levels and are more physically active (according to numerous studies) and are more likely to spend money on multiple gadgets. Obviously the PC universe is huge and there are many many potential customers within that base, all I'm saying that the mac user base is a great, loyal customer who value companies who support their platform.

Garmin, Polar and Nike have been aware of this for some years now, although their software is not perfect (neither for PC or mac), it is compatible.

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[Flying Dutchman]

I 've enjoyed using the Suunto T6 for a couple of year using an old Windows notebook to download data. But now I've decided to switch to Garmin Forerunner 405, feeling forced by the unwillingness of Suunto to accomodate Apple users and support a multi-platform computer world.

The GPS in Garmin is nice, the interface I understand to be difficult, the watches are bulky and the battery needs daily recharging. But still it is the Apple interface that's the deciding factor to switch brands and destroy my loyalty. Sorry Suunto.

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	Suunto t6 - Click for more info The Suunto t6 is one of the most exciting new personal training devices to hit the health and fitness market this year. The "t" in t6 (if you don't want to get too technical) stands for "training". It actually refers to the time interval between two heartbeats, or EPOC. Measured to the millisecond, this interval allows you (using the included PC software) to assess your current fitness, set a proper training load, measure your actual fitness gain over time, and achieve your overall fitness goals.

[feverdiva21]

Me too!! I'm very happy with my T3C but considering an upgrade as a treat probably later this year, at the moment I use the Suunto software on my work (Windows) laptop but when I upgrade it will be to a HRM which interfaces with my personal laptop - ie aMac. Looks like I too will be an ex-Suunto user before too much longer unless Suunto get things sorted, and fast.

Ginny

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[c_kais]

I can't even get my t3c to connect to my PC Pod in Vmware Fusion running Win XP SP2 on my Mac Pro. It just sits there waiting for connection.
I really don't want to install yet another copy of Windows for Boot Camp to make this work.
Anyone have any workarounds?

	Suunto Pods - Click for more info PODs from Suunto help you bring your workout of choice to a whole new level. Suunto offers PODs geared toward running, walking, all-around biking and road cycling - there's even a GPS POD - all of which enhance the functionality of selected Suunto watches and improve your workout. In fact, in addition to these PODs, Suunto also offers a number of Performance Packs, each of which includes a Suunto POD and Suunto watch together.

[timedealz123]

I too had the same problem while connecting t3c to my PC Pod.

	Suunto Pods - Click for more info PODs from Suunto help you bring your workout of choice to a whole new level. Suunto offers PODs geared toward running, walking, all-around biking and road cycling - there's even a GPS POD - all of which enhance the functionality of selected Suunto watches and improve your workout. In fact, in addition to these PODs, Suunto also offers a number of Performance Packs, each of which includes a Suunto POD and Suunto watch together.

[Aera Lure]

Where does native Mac compatibility stand? Can someone from Suunto please reply? Its not enough to say run it through Boot Camp. There is no way I will ever install Microsoft operating systems on my Mac. Its some of the worst software out there, not to mention, due to reboot, its terribly inconvenient.

I'm a Mac user. I've been using Polar for a long time, but ditched them due to Mac incompatibility and a long, long round of patience for over three years communicating with them in an effort to encourage Mac support. They werent even gracious in their replies. I've finally retired my old PC, with no chance of my ever getting another, so Polar is out and I am shopping for a new HRM and training software package.

One might say go with Garmin, which is the best solution out there at the moment for a Mac user. They have made a full switch to support Macs natively, to their credit. However, anyone who's done even a little reading on Garmin HRMs know that speed and distance is the only thing they base their calorie counter on, which to call useless is an understatement. I can throw a dart and guess my calorie usage better than that. If this is a feature important to you, reasonable estimation of calories expended, Garmin is not a good choice. Depending on the model, the unit's estimation of ascent on a workout has also been shown to be very poor compared to Polar.

The problem with Polar is that the proprietary IR transfer system having issues with the Mac USB adapter and the fact that iSmartTrain is feature poor, as well as not currently operating on 10.4.11 on a PPC Mac.

One can overcome the Mac hurdles on an Intel Mac through using Darwine or another VM solution that doesnt require Boot Camp. Though I am not able to test it myself, possibly an Intel Mac would allow the USB issues experienced on a PPC with Polar to function. I cant invest in all the new software and a new Intel Mac to test the theory, but yes, granted, some solutions are out there currently for an Intel Mac user.

Bottom line: I am a PPC Mac user shopping for a new brand. Going full in with a company's products and long term support, yet, there are none out there that run native, outside of Garmin, which is trying, but has issues. How can Suunto and Polar who arguably have the best training software and HRMs simply sit idly by and ignore the Mac community? Do they intend to continue to do so? Based on the fact that this is a two+ year old thread with an admin reply over two years old, I assume so. Its really too bad.

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	Suunto Training Effect watches - Click for more info More than a heart rate monitor, Suunto's exclusive Training Effect feature tells you whether you're training too little, too hard or staying within the zones for optimal improvement.

[Tyler]

Couple of things -

1. No official Mac support. If you want to run MS on your Mac, don't use Boot Camp, you can run it in VMware and its a great experience

2. It is possible to get native support, just need someone to build it. See MacDive - Download - it has been done for SCUBA

[Aera Lure]

Thanks Tyler. I edited my post too late.

1: When I get an Intel Mac, which now seems the only option, I can run stated VM software and find a solution.

2: Well, I do find it sad that the official position is get yourself an Intel Mac, a Windows OS, or convince someone else to build what you need, but trust me, I do understand.

Seems the only solution is to get an Intel Mac, in which case, as unhappy as I am with Polar the company, I can simply keep their product and run it with VM software.

I do think companies (Suunto and Polar) are missing out on a potential market, and Garmin has the right idea. If they fix their HRM algorithm and adjust the ascent gained/lost with a firmware update, they'll have it cornered. I'm going with the first company who gets that right, but in the meantime, if it has to be Intel and VM software, so be it.

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[slammert]

I (like many of you in this thread) finally had enough from Seattle and recently purchased a MacBook Pro. I set it up for dual boot and purchased Parallels also. Both work nominally as expected. I've had my T-6 and (regularly updated - now version 2.2.0.8) Training Manager Software for 3 years now and hoped I could get it working on the Mac. I installed it 'native' on the Windows boot and it does work like before so I can download my data if I boot into native Windows. Unfortunately, when I run Training Manager in the Parallels Window, it doesn't recognize the watch/computer connection. Training Manager opens fine, but there is no audible two-tone 'beep-beep' when the USB connector is inserted so I assume this is the reason that the STM software cannot make the connection. I'd love NOT to have to boot into native Windows just to download the training sessions (for that matter, I'd love not to boot into Window ever!).

I've looked back over the recent posts and it seems that perhaps others have made the Suunto software work using Parallels? Is this true? Is there any trick?

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	Suunto Training Effect watches - Click for more info More than a heart rate monitor, Suunto's exclusive Training Effect feature tells you whether you're training too little, too hard or staying within the zones for optimal improvement.

[bagzee]

I just purchased Suunto t6c and first thing I did was pair it up with my Mac running Parallels.

Training Manager works fine straight away.

I had little problems syncing the watch. I guess if you connect the USB cable before installing windows drivers, it will not recognize it later.
So what you need to do after installing the drivers is go to Control Panel -> Add New Hardware (make sure watch is connected via cable). Windows will scan for new hardware and find Suunto watch. In my case it found two, one connected via USB and the other via COM3. But pick the USB one and thats it.
Now Training Manager will be able to sync with your watch.

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	Suunto Training Effect watches - Click for more info More than a heart rate monitor, Suunto's exclusive Training Effect feature tells you whether you're training too little, too hard or staying within the zones for optimal improvement.

[slammert]

First off, thank you bagzee for your reply. The fact that you have made the STM sync work under Parallels gives me hope (although hope is the meanest of the emotions). I followed your advice but unfortunately, even the hardware manager can't find the hardware. I then uninstalled the driver (add/remove programs) and tried both ways (inserting the USB dongle first, w/o drivers and then also reinstalling drivers via Parallels and reinserting. Neither method worked. Afterwards, when I booted into native Windows, however, the system recognized immediately that the USB was 'new' and installed it right away. It still communicates directly in native Windows without a problem. In parallels, any time I insert something it hasn't seen before (flash drive, USB backup drive, etc), parallels always recognizes that it is new hardware and asks if I want to associate the hardware with boot camp. It just won't do it with the Suunto USB dongle. I'm still holding out hope for it to work under parallels, but I'm still stuck.

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[visiting]

Suunto's and Polar's dogged refusal to make their software available on Mac reveals the companies for what they are: a bunch of bumbling fools from Northern Finland.

Garmin appears to be distracted by other stuff. Could someone with a business plan and a basic customer service mindset please step forward and take over the market. Suunto (and Polar) is toast.

V.

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[BlognDog]

Wish I could offer a solution, but:

1) Firstly just wanted to add my own voice to the chorus calling on Suunto to provide mac support; I wholeheartedly agree that it has to be the same demographic that likes mac computers and suunto watches so it is both baffling and stupid that Suunto does not recognise that

2) I HAVE successfully been using the Suunto software using Windows running on my mac running on VM Ware fusion, and it does work, and provides the full crappy, unstable, poorly designed windows experience. Not sure why others are having problems (NOTE: I am using a Suunto DIVE computer! I also am a runner but I my running equipment is pretty low tech)

3) Thank you, THANK YOU to Tyler for the link to MacDive -- I had no idea such software existed, but I am downloading it now and hope I will soon have one less reason to ever fire up Windows!

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[charchi]

Just a quick message for those who use a Mac and are thinking of getting a Suunto X10. My new Suunto X10m is working perfectly on my iMac ver10.5.7
using VMware Fusion ver2.0.5 running windows xp pro.
It took a while and a bit of homework/research but it was worth it just to hear the windows startup sound on my mac!
Now all I've gotta do is work out how to use this monster of a watch....

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[SuuntogoMAC]

Im thinking of buying a X10, but its unbelievable that it DOES NOT SUPPORT MAC! 80% of my possible consumer friends uses MAC. How difficult can it be?
What is the official answers from SUUNTO?
//SUUNTO GO MAC

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	Suunto X10 Suunto commemorates 10 years with the Suunto X10. When you're trekking through a new frontier, adventure racing, biking, fishing, or conducting field operations, the Suunto X10 provides critical decision-making data. With full GPS functionality, including route planning and uploading, as well as outdoor essentials like an altimeter, barometer, and compass, the Suunto X10 wristop computer shows nature who's boss.

[SuuntogoMAC]

Suunto please give potential customers a decant answer, when will we get mac software, dont you want to sell watches????
Suunto go mac!

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[SuuntogoMAC]

Originally Posted by charchi

Just a quick message for those who use a Mac and are thinking of getting a Suunto X10. My new Suunto X10m is working perfectly on my iMac ver10.5.7
using VMware Fusion ver2.0.5 running windows xp pro.
It took a while and a bit of homework/research but it was worth it just to hear the windows startup sound on my mac!
Now all I've gotta do is work out how to use this monster of a watch....

Come on, suunto release a decent software!!!!

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	Suunto X10 Suunto commemorates 10 years with the Suunto X10. When you're trekking through a new frontier, adventure racing, biking, fishing, or conducting field operations, the Suunto X10 provides critical decision-making data. With full GPS functionality, including route planning and uploading, as well as outdoor essentials like an altimeter, barometer, and compass, the Suunto X10 wristop computer shows nature who's boss.

[tevndale]

Guys,
We've just released a beta version of iSMARTtrain which supports the T6, T4 & T3 (and the 'c' models).

You get get more details in our blog iSMARTtrain

Thanks & Regards

Stuart
OTAG Technologies Ltd

	Sunnto t3 - Click for more info At one point a fitness enthusiast who wanted to monitor and track their heart rate, caloric burn, and other exercise data would need a tangle of electrodes, complex equipment, and extensive personal guidance from a certified fitness trainer. Today, all you need is a Suunto t-Series wristop training device, a PC, and one or more accessories to create an optimal training range that outlines your ideal energy expenditure and muscle exertion while preventing you from overworking and damaging your muscles.

	Suunto t4 - Click for more info he Suunto t4 is another excellent addition to Suunto's growing line of fitness training wristop computers. Like all of Suunto's t-Series training watches (the t1, t3, t4, and the original t6) the t4 monitors your heart rate and caloric burn to assist you in developing an optimized fitness regimen. It also provides you with information about the progression and effects of your training through constant feedback on how to maximize the intensity our your exercises without the over exertion of your heart and muscles. This "intelligent sports watch", via a simple cell-phone like interface, offers clear advice on how to get the most out of each and every workout.

	Suunto t6 - Click for more info The Suunto t6 is one of the most exciting new personal training devices to hit the health and fitness market this year. The "t" in t6 (if you don't want to get too technical) stands for "training". It actually refers to the time interval between two heartbeats, or EPOC. Measured to the millisecond, this interval allows you (using the included PC software) to assess your current fitness, set a proper training load, measure your actual fitness gain over time, and achieve your overall fitness goals.

[JJLondon]

First of all thank you for the beta version of iSmart for T6, at least I have been able to download my logs from my watch tonight.

However, I would still like to be using Suunto training manager. The software seems to have installed OK, like everyone else, my problem is with USB recognition.

I have tried the 'install new hardware' instructions posted above, but they are not working. Has anyone else managed to do this using my setup above - MAcbook Pro/ VM Ware fusion with Windows XP for a suunto T6?

Any advice gratefully received. Along with everyone else, Suunto support have been totally useless each time I have asked them.

Thanking you in advance and trying to keep hope.

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	Suunto t6 - Click for more info The Suunto t6 is one of the most exciting new personal training devices to hit the health and fitness market this year. The "t" in t6 (if you don't want to get too technical) stands for "training". It actually refers to the time interval between two heartbeats, or EPOC. Measured to the millisecond, this interval allows you (using the included PC software) to assess your current fitness, set a proper training load, measure your actual fitness gain over time, and achieve your overall fitness goals.

	Suunto Training Effect watches - Click for more info More than a heart rate monitor, Suunto's exclusive Training Effect feature tells you whether you're training too little, too hard or staying within the zones for optimal improvement.

[happygeocacher]

I called the Suunto Helpdesk and asked if and when there will be a Training Manager Software for Mac.

Answer: "In the future there will be a Version for Mac, but currently we can't say, when."

I do hope, that Suunto will bring the Mac Version soon to the market, because Polar has nothing, Garmin not the best solution, and all Third-Party-Software do not have the full functionality of Suunto's Training Manager.

If Suunto does not disclose their roadmap for their software development, they must accept, that some potential customers will not buy a Suunto watch, but wait, if Garmin is delivering better quality and if Polar is also announcing a Mac version - what will be very likely, because worldwide share of mac computers is steadily rising.

Hope the best for a good Christmas Beta Version of Training Manager for Mac!!!

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	Suunto Training Effect watches - Click for more info More than a heart rate monitor, Suunto's exclusive Training Effect feature tells you whether you're training too little, too hard or staying within the zones for optimal improvement.